Queensland - queensland-debate

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 04:01 PM

Hello everyone and welcome to the great Queensland debate. you will be able to ask us 1 question and if you would like to ask more just ping either me or topc in #general. @everyone

@Topc200

Topc200 26-Nov-20 04:08 PM

By the way the Queensland senator elections should be within a couple of days i think the 29th of November so get ready to vote (edited)

quelfboy99 26-Nov-20 04:08 PM

what is your response to to people who cant play nerdcarft (edited)

Topc200 26-Nov-20 04:08 PM

for both?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 04:08 PM

probably

quelfboy99 what is your response to to people who cant play nerdcarft (edited)

Topc200 26-Nov-20 04:08 PM

Pinned a message.

caesar u go first

then me for next question

type so everyone can see

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 04:12 PM

The best way to get somebody who cant play nerdcraft to feel included you have to take a piece of it back to them. What i mean is that once spike integrates the district tax system i will create welfare and grant systems for the community. The economy isnt the only thing i will be taking back. I will also be creating Discord only items for people to trade.

@Topc200

Topc200 26-Nov-20 04:18 PM

ok ill go now

Topc200 26-Nov-20 04:27 PM

so people who cant play nerdcraft do not fear as i will be adding jobs for you i have already added such jobs like AG and governor and also lieutenant general. i am also implementing at least 5 new jobs to do with the space program and the Queensland army recruitment. But my time is getting cut short. Also may i add that Caesar did not create any of jobs for citizens who did not have Nerdcraft in his time as senator. Thank you (edited)

Topc200 so people who cant play nerdcraft do not fear as i will be adding jobs for you i have already added such jobs like AG and governor and also lieutenant general. i am also implementing at least 5 new jobs to do with the space program and the Queensland army recruitment. But my time is getting cut short. Also may i add that Caesar did not create any of jobs for citizens who did not have Nerdcraft in his time as senator. Thank you (edited)

Topc200 26-Nov-20 04:29 PM

Pinned a message.

Caesar The Train The best way to get somebody who cant play nerdcraft to feel included you have to take a piece of it back to them. What i mean is that once spike integrates the district tax system i will create welfare and grant systems for the community. The economy isnt the only thing i will be taking back. I will also be creating Discord only items for people to trade.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 04:29 PM

Pinned a message.

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 04:31 PM

ok I'll ask you a question now: What will you guys do to support all members of the Queensland district, and how does foreign policy such as bills/alliances come into play with this? (edited)

Topc200 26-Nov-20 04:31 PM

okay my turn to answer first so

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 04:56 PM

@Caesar The Train @Topc200 first serve first come

Omega 26-Nov-20 04:57 PM

?

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:00 PM

I have a question for when Phantom's is answered

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:06 PM

unlike my opponent i have actually created an alliance with Servers past San vooperisco and a corporation. I will be creating the QLA (i will not be telling what those abbreviations mean as of right now) to stimulate the Queensland economy for all citizens. Also may i add that 1. i did create jobs for queenslanders to create ads for queensland and 2. there were not enough people in the district at that time to have certain job positions.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:15 PM

i rebute

i have formed an alliance with new yam servers past and san vooperisco also one of the best pvp players wizard

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:17 PM

i rebute

i have evidence from jam that i was the original member of the alliance

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:18 PM

secondly you said there were not enough people well you must not have tried to populate the district as when i became senator i managed to have the pupulation go from 14 to 41 and i have then created jobs and i am continuing to create more

yes @Caesar The Train but the alliance has also developed

from then

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:20 PM

i rebute that as well the reason the population grew so much was not because of you but because of multiple factors such as the growth of spikes channel and the fact that civilians such as @Phantomfighter were convincing people to move to the queensland district

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:21 PM

I can confirm the statement of caesar

and yes there weren't that many inhabitants in the server, because there wasn't a big influx in new SV members

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:22 PM

so your saying i had no influence

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:22 PM

your term topc, cooincided with the influx of the 'powder-toy' generation

no ofcourse im not saying that topc

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:22 PM

i disagree

people were still joining in numbers

before

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:24 PM

i have evidence that disproves you

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:24 PM

evidence of what

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:24 PM

people were still joining in numbers before

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM

show

i dont mean mass numbers

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM

When was this server (Queensland) created?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM

but people were joining still

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM

during topcs term

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM

yes

near the start

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM

How long ago was that?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:26 PM

i did ask the district if they wanted a server but they said no (edited)

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:26 PM

18 october 2020

Caesar The Train i did ask the district if they wanted a server but they said no (edited)

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:26 PM

yes, we did a poll

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:27 PM

i feel we needed one as i knew i was going to expand the district

and bring activity

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:27 PM

The population of Queensland didnt seem to start increasing a lot until the sudden influx of people from Spike's channel after he reached 160k.

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:27 PM

it did???

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:27 PM

im waiting for the graph to load to prove that

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:27 PM

we are missing the point

people still joined in caesars term

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:28 PM

yes but not at the rate during your term

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:28 PM

the graph will shoe

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:28 PM

this is just a small portion since i could get one of october

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:29 PM

did you ever contact people in the server

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:29 PM

but there was a huge rise in join rate during topcs turn

what do you mean by that?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:30 PM

yes the rise helped me but it wouldve helped every other server equally and it was only queensland whos district expanded

possibly vooperia aswell

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:30 PM

but thats just saying that it expanded. the question is, who expanded it?

i have evidence of both phantomfighter and xboy and me trying to get people to join queensland and yet i have never seen you do that

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:31 PM

ask the people who encouraged them to join

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:31 PM

I would just like to say it was Topc that got me here

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:31 PM

thank you

my evidence is the people

who are here

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:32 PM

And I have also tried to get people to join

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:32 PM

yes many people have

not just me

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:32 PM

that is just one person

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:32 PM

do you want me to ping everyone

and ask

them

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:33 PM

No because not many will respond

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:33 PM

okay let me get the evidence for you

what is it your trying to say

that i didnt encourage people to join

or

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:34 PM

im saying that you did not have as big as an impact as other people

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:34 PM

are you implying you had a bigger impact

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:35 PM

im implying that people who actually are active in spookvooper did

like xboy and phantom

and i myself did start the Queensland ad program

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:35 PM

I can confirm I made at least 6 people join

you guys want screenshots?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:35 PM

i mean sure

caesar are u saying im inactive

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:36 PM

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:36 PM

I've made one person join so far and am working on others

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:36 PM

you see

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:36 PM

compared to other people yes

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:36 PM

I did start yesterday

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:36 PM

if assimilation is true

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:36 PM

thank you phantom for encoruaging people

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:36 PM

this means that many people here did their part

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:36 PM

yes

it wasnt just me

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:37 PM

then stop trying to say it was

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:37 PM

and i have said that

before

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:37 PM

secondly you said there were not enough people well you must not have tried to populate the district as when i became senator i managed to have the pupulation go from 14 to 41 and i have then created jobs and i am continuing to create more

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:38 PM

yes the district i also asked if people could encourage other to join

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:38 PM

as did I

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:39 PM

what did you do in your term as senator

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:39 PM

oh you want my accomplishments?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:39 PM

yea please

do you want mine?

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:40 PM

ok guys I feel this has gone a bit ad hominem and resulted in a non-debatory fight

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:40 PM

Ive had 3 bills that were created by me pass in the senate and i have 1 bill that was co written by me pass. I have created the alliance between Jambon, Pope and Coca. I also created the Queensland Royal guard along with 3 district bills.

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:40 PM

I advice to refrain from this topic

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:41 PM

sure

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:41 PM

too late

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:41 PM

I agree with Phantom here

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:41 PM

oop

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:41 PM

ok

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:41 PM

delitokyo stage is yours

your question

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:42 PM

What do you plan on doing for those who enlist in the military that cannot participate in Nerdcraft? Will they even be allowed to enlist? This is for both candidates.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:43 PM

who wants to go first

caesar

or me

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:44 PM

Go ahead Topc

Unless Caesar is typing his response right now.

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:45 PM

I think he is

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:45 PM

yes

lmao

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:45 PM

Sadly, just like in the real world, a person who does not have the ability to fight cant enlist in the military but they can work for the army. They can be doing MI (military intelligence) or financing or any other logistic things the military needs. it simply depends on what you can bring to the table.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:45 PM

....caesar is typing..

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:45 PM

why dont we just go at the same time

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 05:49 PM

lengthy answer incoming

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:51 PM

okay so what i would do is if the person was able to have access to any sort of minecraft then they could enlist as a someone who would help design trenches and base camps but if you couldn't have any access you could help people enlist so this means you would recruit people in our district to join Queensland army or create strategic ways to defeat our opponent as we would keep you up-to-date with what's happening if we were to go to war. Finally yes you would be allowed to enlist and there will be much more information once i have created our army and recruited soldiers. I want everyone to be included and i will find a way to make this happen (edited)

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 05:52 PM

so what i just said but lengthier

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:53 PM

What do you guys think of a test being implemented to determine where someone who has enlisted would be the most productive?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:54 PM

what do you mean sorry

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:55 PM

After someone has enlisted, they could take a test to determine where they will fit in the best. For example, if someone is great at the combat section of the test, they will be infantry.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 05:58 PM

well i wont just have you can recruit as a solider there will be people who will help with the production of food or to help heal and provide weapons to the soldiers. BUT yes i will have a test to see how good the combat skills are of the soldiers so there will be a shooting test also creativity test

if you have questions about those tests let me know

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 05:58 PM

What will be some of the sections on the tests

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 05:59 PM

I was thinking of redstone, combat, intelligence, maybe even architecture.

But most likely the first 3

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:00 PM

yes creativity test would be like architecture

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 06:00 PM

Anyway, I have family coming over for Thankgiving so I'll be back later tonight.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:00 PM

c ya

Delitokyo 26-Nov-20 06:00 PM

Good luck to both candidates

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:00 PM

thanks

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:02 PM

my internet had a lapse but i dont think a test would be necessary

a person knows themselves better than we do

it would be made of archery basic combat simple redstone potion crafting (optional)

oh man ive just created the basic structure for the queensland militia

im thinking abut creating a boot camp for the queensland militia

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:05 PM

what

im confused

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:05 PM

what are you confused about?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:05 PM

what would be made of

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:05 PM

what would what be made of

Caesar The Train it would be made of archery basic combat simple redstone potion crafting (optional)

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:06 PM

this

what is IT

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:06 PM

im thinking abut creating a boot camp for the queensland militia

this message was supposed to come first

my internet had a lapse sorry

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:07 PM

Why is potion crafting a part of the test? why not just make it like potion use or something

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:07 PM

because we need people to actually make the potion

thus its optional

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:07 PM

fair enough

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:08 PM

or we could always have a supply company

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:08 PM

i know a company

who could supply

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:08 PM

It'd be significantly easier to just have a supply company

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:08 PM

yes

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:08 PM

yeah

but that would cost money

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:09 PM

we need soliders out on the field

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:09 PM

It would cost both time money and extra manpower to brew potion from the army directly

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:09 PM

i dont feel like taxing the people and taking away their jobs just to use that same money to pay a company to do their jobs

well the army wouldnt be doing the potion brewing

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:10 PM

the solideris get paid

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:10 PM

it would be the support corps

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:10 PM

well i would want them paid

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:10 PM

Then why is it even an option on the test?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:10 PM

i want to have a company supply us

and ino someone who would

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:11 PM

IDE?

alskfx1 Then why is it even an option on the test?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:11 PM

the support corps would be part of the armed forces but not the army

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:12 PM

That'd be employing more people into the military without frontline service

With a third-party company

At least we'd be able to conscript them when the time came

*the workers

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:12 PM

yes but it would be good for people who are not good at fighting

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:13 PM

not IDE

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:13 PM

that would just creating a liability to leave unable people in the army

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:13 PM

Not really

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:13 PM

where their resources can be used in the support corps

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:14 PM

support corps?

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:14 PM

Extra soldiers are extra soldiers

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:14 PM

yes like we get the supply of potions on demand

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:15 PM

their armor and weapons, which cost money, would just be handed to the enemy when they die

Topc200 support corps?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:15 PM

logistics

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:15 PM

and the cost can be arranged

it will cost more money paying soliders and for the materials to make potions

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:15 PM

Well we would decrease the likelyhood of a total loss when all soldiers die if we have more soldiers

Fewer people in the army means

an easier chance of the enemy killing all of them

So we'd either be sending fewer troops, losing less when we lose

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:16 PM

yes

this is what the support corps is for

they would be doing logistics and MI

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:16 PM

Or we send more, sure a bigger risk when we die, but it'd decrease the total risk of us dying in general

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:16 PM

have you read the art of war?

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:17 PM

I probably should tbh

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:17 PM

sending unable people to fight does not mean a less chance of dying it actually complicates things

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:17 PM

That is fair

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:18 PM

thats why we send those people to places where they can be useful

anymore questions?

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 06:18 PM

Not from me anyway

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:18 PM

alright

@Topc200 do you have any questions for me?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:20 PM

Not rn

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:24 PM

alright

ill be taking questions for the next 4 hours just ping me

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:25 PM

Yes the whole debate ends in 4 hrs okay

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:25 PM

not debate

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:25 PM

But people can still ask questions

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:25 PM

the debate is over

yeah

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:25 PM

Okay

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 06:25 PM

this is kinda like a town hall lol

Topc200 26-Nov-20 06:28 PM

lol

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 07:51 PM

my final queste

lets move away from queensland a bit

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:52 PM

??

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 07:52 PM

and go to the most important thing for a senator

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 07:52 PM

shoot

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 07:53 PM

on a scale from 1-10, how would you rate your activity and reputation in the Spookvooper server, and in what way do you outshine the other?

a senator is the representative in a country

district policies are fun and all, but the SV server is where its all about

you're not a senatorial competitor omega

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:54 PM

well like im active i just dont talk in general alot

but like im active on working

so

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 07:54 PM

10 i feel that you are not simply the governor of a district you are a representative of it. I outshine others because im active and on the ground in spookvooper. I know the most important issues of the people of spookvooper and of the people of queensland.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:55 PM

reputation well known

im apart of the MOF

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 07:55 PM

so topc what numeral, and in what was do you outshine your opponents

reputation is also a representative

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:55 PM

are you talking activty in messages

or

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 07:56 PM

yes also that

ofcourse

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:56 PM

bc i just dont spam out general or anything

i talk about work

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 07:56 PM

and how well do you represent QSL in that activity @Topc200 @Caesar The Train

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:56 PM

7

btw

in activity

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 07:57 PM

i have tried to get people to join queensland and have done so successfully also people know my name and are more likely to vote for my bills because of bias

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:57 PM

bias?

people vote on bills due to whats in it

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 07:58 PM

HAHAHAHAHHA

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:58 PM

what

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 07:58 PM

thats what a good senator would do

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:58 PM

so your saying your a bad senator?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 07:58 PM

but some senators skim over the bill and see who its by

why would i vote on bias smh

Topc200 26-Nov-20 07:59 PM

still

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:01 PM

still what?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:01 PM

i represent QSL alot in that activity i devote alot of time into this district and also as caesar has said i also have tried to get people to join and have succeeded i also well known for my company IDE and being apart of the MOF

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:09 PM

@Topc200 @Caesar The Train Moving on, I have another question: what will be your tax and economic development plans for queensland?

Into the future, anyway

Or has it already been answered and I'm just blind

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:10 PM

ill be trying to get everybody included on my economic plan and will try to set a reasonable tax level

as i said before ill be creating a grant system for the people and a welfare option for the new and poor

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:11 PM

Fair enough, but how do you intend on paying for it?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:12 PM

with the taxes

and my own money at the beginning

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:12 PM

Interesting

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:12 PM

we have a pretty high GDP so it will be good to get that money circulating

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:13 PM

That is true

Do you have any specific industries you plan on growing, and if so, how?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:14 PM

im trying to get the item trading industry to have a jump start in queensland once spike gets it ready

ill be creating specialized district items for people in queensland to trade

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:14 PM

Fair enough

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:16 PM

okay so yes i agree with the whole trading thing but i want to have a market that is acessibile in minecraft and outside

also

i will fund the district by selling land

and houses

to citizens

my tax level will be lower than 10%

Most likely below 5%

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:17 PM

then you would receiving barley any money

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:17 PM

how much tax you plan

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:17 PM

ill actually see the affects of the tax rate then change it accordingly

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:18 PM

Sounds like marketing

Can you give a starting percentage of income to be taxed?

To test the waters?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:18 PM

7%

thats what i found was good in cities skylines

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:19 PM

Ah yes

The best of simulatiosn

*simulations

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:19 PM

though 12% does better if the state is running out of money

yea

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:19 PM

i would have 5%

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:19 PM

To be honest, the 7% isn't much better than the 5 percent, so

Do either of you have any plans to raise additional income?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:20 PM

income?

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:20 PM

Money for the state

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:20 PM

to the district?

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:20 PM

Yes

District I mean

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:20 PM

well we do not need to have high tax

because yes

also

income will come from people buying land

and houses

Topc200 well we do not need to have high tax

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:21 PM

I rebute that most of the money in queensland is held by like 4 people compared to a population of 4+

i think we should be renting land and apartments to people who need it and to foreigners but for a higher price

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:22 PM

Hmm so selective pricing

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:22 PM

yes

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:22 PM

Hold on for a moment

Ok nvm

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:23 PM

alright

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:23 PM

well how high of tax

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:24 PM

Caesar, your plan is basically just Topc's plan with less equality for foreigners

Fair enough I guess

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:24 PM

yes

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:24 PM

But uh

Is price discrimination illegal?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:24 PM

nope

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:24 PM

Oof

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:24 PM

its actually quite common in some places in the world

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:25 PM

yes

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:25 PM

no but people wil not want to move to our district our have there company there if tax is high

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:25 PM

But it isn't necessarily good

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:25 PM

they will go to district who taxes are low

some senators want tax like below 2%

but dont quote me

Topc200 no but people wil not want to move to our district our have there company there if tax is high

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:25 PM

a high tax is made for people to come to us. The money from the tax will be spent on welfare.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:26 PM

how does high tax influence people

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:26 PM

2% tax is absurdly low

Topc200 how does high tax influence people

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:26 PM

would you want to move to a district that you cant make money in?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:26 PM

what

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:27 PM

Caesar, you do realize that you are the one championing for higher taxes right? You are basically saying that the high tax is made for people to go to queensland, but then you said, why would you move to a district with high tax.

w h a t

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:27 PM

think of it like this

you wont be able to make money because the wages will be low for jobs if there are any private jobs in the first place

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:28 PM

high tax has no influence on people joining

how will wages be low

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:28 PM

because no money is being circulated

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:28 PM

also the jobs will be offer by companies except queensland jobs

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:29 PM

thats another issue

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:29 PM

How will no money be circulated, no products to be bought?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:29 PM

we want more mom and pop business

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:29 PM

companies earn more money

bc tax low

people wages increase

company make more money

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:29 PM

Hey sounds like reaganomics

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:29 PM

whats that lmao

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:29 PM

Not good

It didn't work

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:29 PM

how

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:30 PM

The idea was that

They lower corporate taxes by a lot

Then the corporations invest it into worker wages

So the workers can buy more product

To put the money back to corporations

But uh

It didn't happen

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:30 PM

it will work in nerdcraft

also

well

i mean 10% tax is alot

if we have VAT

value added tax

on products

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:31 PM

Government debt skyrocketed in the reagan era, with no noticeable increase in the minimum wage

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:31 PM

no but alskfx ur missing the differnece

people can easily move to another district with lower tax

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:32 PM

Yes

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:32 PM

so

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:32 PM

And so could american multinational companies

Which is what they did

alskfx1 How will no money be circulated, no products to be bought?

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:32 PM

think of it like this, who has most of the money in the district? the 4 people who were active before nerdcraft. inactivity tax has killed the rest of the income off. now nerdcraft opens with an inflated economy, the small amount of money that people have made from UBI wont be enough to cover the costs of creating a business. the people will then have to work for the mega corporations that are owned by said 4 people. do you want that to happen?

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:32 PM

No

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:33 PM

okay so

caesar what will you

do

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:33 PM

if it comes to the fact that people will not want to come to queensland because of high taxes i will lower taxes and pay for welfare with my own money.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:33 PM

wait

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:33 PM

and what do you mean "what will you do"?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:33 PM

if u become senator

to tax

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:34 PM

come again?

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:35 PM

So your plan is to basically pay out of pocket?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:35 PM

is that allowed

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:36 PM

if i have to, yes.

and of course its allowed

i would just be giving people my money

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:36 PM

Wait then, you are the one percent you plan on taxing

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:36 PM

perhaps

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:37 PM

This sounds suspiciously like when american companies basically bought the president with a ridiculous amount of campaign donations

wait a minute

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:37 PM

it should never come to paying out of pocket

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:37 PM

It'll basically make the district highly dependent on your re-election

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:38 PM

oh

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:38 PM

how

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:38 PM

as topc said, it should never come to that

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:38 PM

no it WILL never

and ofc yes

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:38 PM

Since all of the ubi and economic grants are either a) raised through taxes, which is possible

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:38 PM

i have 1.7 mill aswell im willing to pay IF it happens

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:39 PM

But if it doesn't raise enough money, then b), all the economic grants are basically being paid off by the person who controls the wealth

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:39 PM

well

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:39 PM

it wont happen

ever

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:39 PM

id be giving queensland my money

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:39 PM

Which leads to a conundrum

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:39 PM

i wont let it

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:39 PM

The rich own everything

Quite literally

Since the smaller buisnesses

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:39 PM

grants wont be paid back

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:40 PM

Are now dependent on the district's aid until they grow enough

Grants not being paid back is perfectly fine

But then it means that

Small corporations, for a while, are dependent on the ultra-rich

So uh

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:40 PM

a one time grant should be enough to start up a buissness

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:41 PM

Maybe don't pay out of pocket

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:41 PM

i wot

wont

bc it wont happen

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:41 PM

Like if you want to make a donation, then sure

But uhh

If you are single-handedly funding a program

Then that's a major problem

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:41 PM

yes

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:41 PM

thats the issue

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:41 PM

it wont happen

we get 1.7% tax

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:42 PM

if paying out of pocket becomes a thing then there wont be "funding" it will just be a single time payment

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:42 PM

like QSL gets paid

1.7& of tax

%

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:42 PM

topc your tax plan will practically be leaving the state with no money

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:42 PM

Okay good

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:43 PM

leaving the state to megacorps and practically creating an anrcho-capitalist state

and on top of that what will the QSL be even doing?

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:44 PM

queensland

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:44 PM

yes but what will it be doing?

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:44 PM

Well both of your plans are completely built around the idea that the rich pay a lot, and using that money to fund smaller businesses with grants

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:44 PM

how

is my plan

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:44 PM

Oh wait

Right

I'm stupid

But yeah

Caesar

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

topcs is just letting mega corps take advantage of the poor

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

how

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

Your plan has a pretty big hole

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

companies earn more money bc tax low people wages increase company make more money

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

caesar how much tax are you planning

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

7% as i have said before

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

yea and mine 5%

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

That's just more reaganomics

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

but it will probably be lowered

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:45 PM

not much diffference

so

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:46 PM

...

thats an entire 2 percent difference

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:46 PM

yes

but

not major

anyway why have high tax

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

just a perspective the US government has a tax rate of 10% on income tax

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

Yes

And its pretty dumb

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

and

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

and that is for the lowest of the low

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

we arnt US

so

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

yes

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

we dont follow US

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

On income

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

complete different

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

that is why i said ill probably change my tax plan

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

yes and income

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:47 PM

What about corporate

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

21%

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

because the official tax rate for the major corporations in America is like 21 percent

yeah

But

Many companies

Paid

NOTHING

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

tax fraud

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

yea im not having 21%

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

No

Completely legally

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

me neither

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

They got away

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

we dont have the population for it

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

because tax loopholes

True

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

ouch

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:48 PM

ill have like 13

5

%

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:49 PM

Tax loopholes don't apply here

But

The 21 percent

Was lowered

from 35

Always remember, that if there are tax breaks, there will be a way to exploit it

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:49 PM

spike said it would be to hard to code specific exemptions for taxes but i dont think that will include certain tax rates for certain things i.e groups and users

alskfx1 26-Nov-20 08:50 PM

Ah okay

Topc200 26-Nov-20 08:50 PM

yes we need overall tax

on everything i think

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 08:51 PM

ill probably keep my tax rate between a 8%-3% for users then 13%-8% for corporations

anymore questions?

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 08:59 PM

topc your plan is similar to caesars but it will only lower the GDP

so you just tax for well

taxing

and paying out of the pocket isn't bad lmao

he voluntarily will massively increase his taxes to give y'all money and you guys saying no

are you dumb

Caesar The Train 26-Nov-20 09:09 PM

i will no longer be taking questions as i will be falling asleep soon. i would like to thank my opponent @Topc200 and everybody who attended the debate.

Topc200 26-Nov-20 09:20 PM

how am i taxing for just tax

thanks caesar good luvk

Topc200 how am i taxing for just tax

Phantomfighter 26-Nov-20 09:39 PM

as I said

we already have taxing in SV

Topc200 26-Nov-20 09:47 PM

so u think taxing is uncessary

xboy 08-Dec-20 07:44 PM

ok

Phantomfighter 08-Dec-20 07:54 PM

ok

Caesar The Train 09-Dec-20 11:14 AM

im gonna have to shut down this channel

xboy 09-Dec-20 04:49 PM

ok